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Post by Sfoth on Nov 30, 2006 11:04:13 GMT -5
I think h is right
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 4, 2006 8:54:23 GMT -5
There were several leaders that took power after Khans death.
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Post by Renegade Replicant on Dec 5, 2006 12:05:06 GMT -5
Only four...... and no, his empire did not expand...... It hardly lasted a generation after his death.......
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 5, 2006 13:26:49 GMT -5
His empire did expand, it expanded more in the south.
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Post by zarog on Dec 5, 2006 13:52:03 GMT -5
I was actually kind of leaning with RR on this one.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 5, 2006 14:30:34 GMT -5
The empire's expansion continued for a generation or more after Genghis's death in 1227. Under Genghis's successor Ögedei Khan, the speed of expansion reached its peak. Mongol armies pushed into Persia, finished off the Xia and the remnants of the Khwarezmids, and came into conflict with the Song Dynasty of China, starting a war that would last until 1279 concluding with the Mongols' successful conquest of populous China, which constituted then the majority of the world's economic production. Is that also not what I just said in my previous posts? I know it did, it says right here! ( Thanks to Wikipedia)
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Post by zarog on Dec 5, 2006 15:13:43 GMT -5
Wikipedia can say anything even if it isn't true because it is a user changed database.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 6, 2006 8:54:19 GMT -5
Well than look it up yourself, because I know it is right.
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Post by zarog on Dec 6, 2006 11:51:24 GMT -5
I did look it up. I didn't see anything that supports your answer. Give me a link of some real research area.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 6, 2006 15:20:39 GMT -5
Mongols to the Gates of Vienna Late in the life of Genghis Khan, members of his family fought over who was to be his heir. To end the dispute, Genghis Khan chose his third son, Ogodei (pronounced oh-go-day). And in 1229, after Genghis Khan's death, a great Mongol assembly confirmed the succession of Ogodei as the Great Khan. Ogodei began his rule aiming to live up to his mandate as ruler of the world. In earnest he began drafting conquered people into his armies. Around one in ten young men from agricultural societies went into the Mongol infantry or to assist in siege warfare against fortified cities. And tent dwellers (nomadic herdsmen) joined the Mongol cavalry.
In 1231, Ogodei sent an army to police Korean defiance of an agreement made in 1218 to pay annual tribute. In 1232, the Koreans rebelled and a struggle ensued that was to last for decades. Ogodei also sent his armies against the Jurzhen, and in 1234 his armies completed the conquest of northern China. In the mid-thirties Ogodei sent armies against Slavic principalities in Eastern Europe, but resistance by the Asiatic tribes between the Volga and Ural rivers was greater than he had expected, delaying his plans of conquest west of the Ural Mountains. Finally, in 1237, his army pushed against the Russians, conquering the cities of Vladimir, Kolmna and Moscow in 1238. In December 1240, Ogodei's his army entered the city of Kiev and reduced the city to ashes. The Mongols would dominate Russia into the 1400s.
In 1400, after conquering Kiev, the Mongols invaded Hungary and Poland. They were outnumbered but tactically superior. They defeated several Hungarian armies. In early April, 1241, at the Battle of Lenica (Liegnitz), in Poland, they defeated an army that is said to have included heavily armored Teutonic knights. Dying in the battle was the most powerful of Polish dukes, Henryk II (Henry II).
In December the Mongols crossed the Danube River, toward Vienna. Then, mysteriously to Europeans, the Mongols retreated from central Europe. To the Europeans it seemed they had been saved by a miracle. A myth was to rise among the Poles that their brave warriors saved Europe from the Mongols. In reality, the Mongol withdrawal was in response to Ogodei's death, on December 11. High ranking Mongol army leaders believed they had to return to confirm the selecting of a new ruler.
See, here it is again!
This is a pointless debate.
This is the URL (http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h11mon.htm)
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Post by zarog on Dec 6, 2006 16:30:17 GMT -5
Whatever. It may be pointless but it made you have to figure out how to support something you say.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Dec 7, 2006 8:57:52 GMT -5
And I did didn't I?
But I already knew this stuff, but I had to support what I said through solid research because you would not believe me and start a debate like you just did. Even though I tried to explain it to you several times.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Jan 13, 2007 15:19:11 GMT -5
Has anybody heard of King Henry V?
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Post by zarog on Jan 13, 2007 15:23:32 GMT -5
Heard of him, yes, know anything about him off the top of my head, no.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Jan 13, 2007 15:25:18 GMT -5
he is best known for his victory at Agincourt! He was a king of England.
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Post by zarog on Jan 13, 2007 15:28:53 GMT -5
Okay, don't know exactly what you are talking about but whatever.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Jan 13, 2007 15:34:11 GMT -5
Maybe RR could enlighten you, he is well known for his knowledge in the Medieval times.
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Post by Renegade Replicant on Jan 13, 2007 15:38:02 GMT -5
he is best known for his victory at Agincourt! He was a king of England. He really known for more, but Agincourt was really one of his most brilliant battles.
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Post by caserdonian12 on Jan 13, 2007 15:39:42 GMT -5
Maybe I should find a better response!
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Post by letminlt on Jan 13, 2007 23:30:29 GMT -5
Yes it was...
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